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« on: July 02, 2008, 07:50:54 PM »

This all started innocent enough, all I wanted was running lights using the existing turn signals.... thinking...

So, I start by trying to fit 1157 sockets in the stock turn signal housings. Made brackets, which will work well, but can't for the life of me find the small male end bullet connectors. I didn't want to hack something in either.
Then two things came to mind. When I bust a signal, I'll have to convert it over to match the rest. No good.
Secondly, I realized that I'd be pulling too many amps with it set up this way.

So, after searching I settled on a Kisan signalMinder, model SM-2. This is a pretty cool item, first and foremost it replaces the factory flasher, a real plug and play part. After that, there is a ground to connect, and three other wires that tap into the L/R signals and the brake light. Very easy to install. No wires are cut either.

These are the cool functions:
1. Auto cancels the turn signals in either 10, 20, or 30 flashes, DIP switch settable.
2. Turns all signals into running lights at about 1/3 the standard intensity, or off, DIP switch settable.
3. Turns the rear signals into brake lights that flash 4 times, starting fast, then slowing to solid on.
4. While the brakes are on (waiting for a light) it suspends the self cancel signal timer.
5. Four way (emergency) flasher mode
6. Escort flasher mode (left, right, left, right....parades, wide loads and funerals?)
7. Handles led lamps or a combo of incand./leds.

These are the not so cool things:
1. When you hook up the running lights, it makes the two indicators on the cluster light up also. No way around this, as they are wired with the signals (parallel). Not really a big deal.
2. When you hook up the brake light wire and hit the brakes, the front signals flash with the rears. Again, no way around this, it's the way they're wired (parallel) with the rears. Oh, and the indicators flash too.

90 bucks later, it's installed and performing as advertised. But then I notice the headlight is dimming more than usual when I'm on the brakes, or when the signal is on. OK, now I decide to lighten the load......

LED bulb replacement

My plan is to use led's in every position except the headlight, so here's what I've done so far:

(Everything is from the same site, poke around you'll find 'em.)

1. Front turn signals-http://www.superbrightleds.com/tail-brake-turn.html 24 led amber wide pattern, #1156-A24 cluster. These will just fit in the reflector. Just a bit dimmer than the std bulb.
Stock bulbs are 23 watts x 2 (F/R), 3.83 amps total. LED's are 90mA each, 180mA total, using 4.7% of what the stock bulbs use. Substantial savings here.

2. Tag bulb-#67 15 led bulb, white, #67-W15. Very pleased with this one, very bright. Very very *slight* blue tinge,
looks really good.

3. Instrument cluster illumination- 194/168 6 led wedge based bulb, warm white, #WLED-WWHP6. These were a tough fit but worth it. I messed up and forgot to measure the opening where the bulb fits in the housing. OOPS! Too wide!!
Not to hard of a work around, but you have to open the gauge cluster up and bend some thin metal bulb shrouds around. Then you can install the bulbs from the inside of the housing with the sockets in place. Then bend the metal shrouds kinda back in place. Not a big deal really. WELL WORTH IT!!! The gauges are really lit now, I don't have to study them at night anymore to read them. Much safer IMHO.

OK, now I hear you saying why bother with the gauge lights, or the tag light for that matter. They're little. Well, there are four gauge illumination lights. Each are 1.7 watts. That's 6.8 watts (.566 amps @ 12v) drawing when the bike is on, you can't turn them off. In comparison, the tail light is 5 watts (.416 amps). The replacement led bulbs draw 24mA each, for a total of 96mA. That's only 17% of stock bulb draw, plus they are way brighter.
Tag light is about the same, stock is 5 watts (.416 amps). Led bulb is 42mA, only 10% of stock.

Indicator lamps-4 led bulbs, white, #WLED-W4. These would probably work OK as gauge illumination lamps, they fit in the housing just fine. These suckers are VERY BRIGHT as indicators. Almost too bright. Fortunately, most are off during normal operation. You will definitely know when you're in neutral. With the running light option wired as mentioned above, the turn signal indicators are on at a reduced level. These were way too bright at night. I ended up cutting up some 26% trans amber gels (stage light filters, I have a 200pc sample pack) to dim them (I'm inside the gauge cluster again to do this) and they are borderline bright. Still have some tweaking to do on this....maybe several layers of scotch tape over the led's will do the trick.

Still to do

Rear turn signals-I've ordered another set of the ambers to match the fronts.
Tail/Brake-I've ordered a red 3W Luxeon 1157.

I've done a bunch of number crunching and came up with this:

Under normal running conditions with the brakes on and the turn signals on, stock bulbs draw 15.38 amps.
Same conditions as above, but with all leds (except headlamp), the draw is 5.79 amps, only 37.6% of stock, or a savings of 9.59 amps. That's a bunch considering the stator's output is only about 10 amps (and that's at 8k, who rides at 8K?)

FWIW, after installing what I have so far, I can barely see the headlight dim with the brakes or turn signals now. Much, much better than it was.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I know running amber lights in the rear is frowned upon by the DOT. I'm taking a chance of getting a ticket. But, as someone else has said, if and when I get a ticket, at least I know I was visible.

Hope this long winded post helps if you are thinking of doing something like this. I would have taken pics, but as you all know the camera doesn't necessarily capture what the eye sees....

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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2008, 08:19:57 PM »

That Kisan module is pretty neat. I like the features.

That would get my coolest mod of the month vote  thumb
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2008, 02:43:17 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2008, 08:40:21 AM »

Sounds good.  Replace all signal bulbs and instrument bulbs with LED equivalent and plug in Signal minder?  Sounds almost easy enough for me.  And I was looking for parking lights for my KLR.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2008, 08:43:21 PM »

  Sounds and looks great , BUT . Do you , or do you not have to add a signal load resitor unit thinga ma whatchya hicky to every bulb ?
  I think you are suppose to ..............
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2008, 09:10:49 PM »

  Sounds and looks great , BUT . Do you , or do you not have to add a signal load resitor unit thinga ma whatchya hicky to every bulb ?
  I think you are suppose to ..............

Nope, the signalminder is an electronic flasher as well. It will handle all loads, all incandescent, all led, or a combo of both.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2008, 12:16:08 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2008, 11:06:00 AM »

Received the other two turn signal bulbs and tail/brake bulb today and got them installed. I already knew the turns would be OK, but I was not prepared for the tail/brake light. This thing is brighter than the stock bulb by at least 20% thumb It's one of those "do not look directly at" bulbs, very bright!!

Now, no matter what combo of lights I have on, the headlamp does not dim at all, even with the bike not running.

Now that this is done, I feel I've accomplished:

1. Better visiblity in traffic, especially at night.
2. I'll never have to worry about leaving a signal on again.
3. Less strain on the electrical system, an almost 2/3 reduction in current. My battery likes me again.
4. Increased life for the bulbs, I should never have to replace them.

All this for just a touch under 200.00.

Any questions, just ask.
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2008, 04:10:40 PM »

Great mods.

It inspired me to lessen the electrical load on my KLR250.

I went a slightly different route:

I put in a Bluhm Enterprises 360 Degree 1157 tail light led, this bulb has little leds in a dome pattern so that it can be seen from all angles, much brighter than stock for about $15.

I also put on a Tourmaster switchgear that allows you to turn off the headlight. This was about $79. This was a little expensive but has some nicer functions than the stock unit and my mirror mount was busted so this was an obvious upgrade. Now I leave the headlight off on the short rides around town. You can find a link to this on the KLR250 website.

I think I will still try to hunt down an led tag light as per your recommendation.

Overall not as nice as your mods, but they do keep my battery from draining for a little less cost, and I'm hoping they will allow me to run an electric vest.



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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2008, 08:06:58 AM »

Great mods.

It inspired me to lessen the electrical load on my KLR250.

I went a slightly different route:

I put in a Bluhm Enterprises 360 Degree 1157 tail light led, this bulb has little leds in a dome pattern so that it can be seen from all angles, much brighter than stock for about $15.

I also put on a Tourmaster switchgear that allows you to turn off the headlight. This was about $79. This was a little expensive but has some nicer functions than the stock unit and my mirror mount was busted so this was an obvious upgrade. Now I leave the headlight off on the short rides around town. You can find a link to this on the KLR250 website.

I think I will still try to hunt down an led tag light as per your recommendation.

Overall not as nice as your mods, but they do keep my battery from draining for a little less cost, and I'm hoping they will allow me to run an electric vest.





Thats great Charles, sounds like you did some good things there. All the little things add up to one big thing.
I don't know how much a vest will draw, you may need to change out your signal lamps also.
I've been thinking about the Tourmaster switch, was that a plug and play install on that?
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2008, 09:40:31 AM »

Hi Jeeperman,

The Tourmaster switch is plug and play; pretty easy install. It is a more intuitive set up, I like it a lot more than the stock switch.

The vest draws 45 watts, so I'm not sure if I'll be able to use it and the headlight at the same time. I've got an led tag light coming which should help as well. Don't think I'll dig into the instrument cluster or mess with the signal lamps, but anything's possible.

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 10:54:35 AM »

Thanks for the info on the switch Charles. I guess that goes on my to do list  thumb

Ouch, 45 watts (3.75 amps at 12v) would almost be like running another headlight.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2008, 08:48:30 AM »

Great information in this thread!  Thanks for all the details, Jeeperman.  After seeing this, I went all LED except headlight on my KLR 250 also.  I got the 5 watt Luxeons all around for my turn signals ($20 each at Autolumination; they call it an "Eagle Eye 5"), followed your recommendation of 67-W15 ($7 at SuperBrightLEDs) for the tag light, four WLED-W4 for the gauge illumination ($2.59 each at SuperBrightLEDs), and appropriately colored WLED-A4 ($1.59 each), WLED-B4 ($2.59 each), and WLED-G4 ($2.59 each) for the turns, high beam, and neutral indicators.

Instead of getting a fancy controller (and risking a ticket; I'm a magnet for cops), I just got an electronic flasher.  Instead of taking my daily driver apart before ordering, I followed the advice of a thread on the KLR 650 flasher, which said the LF1-S-FLAT ($9 from SuperBrightLEDs) was a plug in replacement.  I did check Ron Ayers microfiche for the KLR 250 and the KLR 650 and verified that they were the same part number, at least for 2004.

Well, all the parts came and I took the bike apart and the flasher on my 2004 KLR 250 looks a lot more like the CF12ANL-01 than the LFS-1-FLAT.  Oh, well, I hacked off the new flasher's connector and put a couple spade terminals on it, and it plugged right in.  I wrapped some electrical tape on the exposed ends of the spade terminals and tie wrapped the thing into the spot vacated by the old flasher.

All the LED lights plugged right in, and they all work great... a couple of them TOO great.  I might have paid better attention to you Jeeperman; the high beam indicator almost makes it not worth it to turn on the high beam at night!  I like bright turn signals, and since I'm almost never looking very far ahead in neutral, it's not so bad that those indicators come close to blinding me, but I'm actually trying to see something when I switch the headlight to bright.  I think I'll get myself a WLED-B-x ($1.39 at SuperBrightLEDs) for that indicator position, since they're so easy to change (three screws, two nuts, and the speedometer cable get you access to the back of the instruments).

I haven't mentioned the tail/brake light because I cobbled something together.  I found that I had three old SuperBrightLEDs 1157-R12 (twelve LED clusters) sitting around unused because they're too dim to be used for a tail/brake light.  I bought them years ago to see if they put out a respectable amount of light (the answer is not really).  I took these layabouts and ganged them together onto a piece of thin stainless, then wired them to the bayonet of a cannibalized 1157 bulb.  They work pretty well, though they don't quite reach my desire, which is to blind everyone behind me.  Maybe someday I'll do the same thing with two of those 5 watt Luxeons.

Again, thanks for the pioneering research on the topic.  My lights are all rock steady now; can't even detect the headlight dimming when the signals flash.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2008, 04:50:58 PM »

Hi Dcon,
Wow, was I surprised when this thread popped up!! Glad you found it helpful, sounds like your taillight solution works good.
Regretably, I don't own the KLR anymore, I traded it in on a Harley back in September. I sure miss it.
I will, however, stay subscribed to this thread to answer any questions on the refit.
Once again, glad everything went well for you!!!

 
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2008, 02:48:11 PM »

No, I'm pretty much done with the LED conversion, unless I decide to tweak that taillight.  Next is an HID conversion.  After that, I hope to apply the scavenged power to heated grips.  Happy Hog-ing.  I've got a big (metric) cruiser myself.
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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2012, 12:21:36 PM »

This is an old thread but I wanted to add something. To fix the turning signal indicators on the dash being dimly lite all the time, you can use a zener diode wired in series and reverse biased, meaning for the electrical impaired (backwards), for each bulb left and right.
The steady on voltage coming out of the signal minder is suppose to be 2 volts so you need a zener diode with a breakdown voltage of greater then 2 volts, the closer you get to 2 volts the brighter the dash indicators will be when they flash due to the voltage drop across the diode, and it has to handle a wattage of at least 1.7, assuming you use the led's mentioned by jeeperman,.

This should fix the always on indicators if you are running the running lights. I have not tested it on my KLR but from my electronics experience it should work just fine. When I do this upgrade I will post if it worked or not.
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2012, 08:13:55 PM »

 I ordered an 1157 LED cluster for the taillight on my bike. I'll post up after I intall it. I also appreciate the information in this thread. I'm working to lower my amp draw before I install heated grips.
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