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« on: May 31, 2007, 08:29:10 AM »


I would like to ask a favor here.  One that I think will help just about every member of KLR World.

When you post a ride report, could you use the system that Cherokee Chuck uses as a rating guide?

The reason I make this request is simple.  Many of the KLR riders don't have the same amount of experience off road as some of the others.  It would be so much nicer if they had something to give them an idea of just how hard a particular ride is, before they go there.

Special note: Holycaveman - please use a rating of 12 or higher on all the rides you make!  Especially those with log crossings!       


Cherokee Chuck's Ride Rating System.


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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2007, 10:29:51 PM »

Marty has asked if I would put up some pics representing what trail levels may look like. I tried to find pics showing a variety of terrain for each rating.  Here is the Rating Scale from the link above:


 Excuse me?


In the past, I've come up with a scale that helps me communicate quickly what the road ahead may look like.  The scale goes from 1 to 5 and is by no means an end all scale.  Just to help.    Greenie


Of course, weather conditions can affect all of these, so be aware. 

In general, the smaller the width of the road/trail and the more blind turns you have, the higher the ratings may be.

Here it is:


1   -   Well packed, smooth FS Roads.

1.5  -  Fresh gravel FS roads. (2, if deep)

2   -   FS roads not as well taken care of, with, (and/or/all) mild ruts, sandy areas, some mud holes, shallow creek crossings.

2.5  -  Mild single track OR abandoned, steeper dirt rds with, (and/or/all) med. ruts, sand, rocky areas, mud holes, creek crossings,  some wood debris.

3   -   Med. single track OR steep dirt rds., with, (and/or/all) tougher ruts, sand, rocks, mud holes, creek crossings, wood debris.

3.5  -  Fairly agressive/steeper single track OR very steep dirt rds., with, (and/or/all) very tough ruts, sand, rocks, mud, creeks, wood debris (logs).

4  -  3.5 rating, but pushed to the maximum fun I can have on the KLR.  Tougher single track, ultimate fun, work-out type ride.

4.5 - Places I can take the KLR, but I shouldn't be there.   (think sewing-machine legs)     

5   -   KLR and I can't do it.



THE RATING WE GIVE THESE RIDES NORMALLY MEANS THAT ALONG THAT ROUTE, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT GET THAT RATING.   A MAJORITY OF THE RIDE WILL PROBABLY BE A TICK BELOW THAT RATING.    Ride on!



WHAT LEVEL SHOULD YOU RIDE?

1)Never been off of pavement?  First try 1-1.5
2)You want to do some slightly more technical rides?  Ride with a group on a 2-2.5 tour.
3)Getting the hang of handling the bike, instead of vice-versa?  Hook up on an exciting 3-3.5 run!
4)Been there, done that, NEXT?  4's are awesome/challenging.  4.5's are better suited for lighter, low gearing bikes, but doo-able.  Ready?


These ratings are for KLR650's.  KLX250's, or lighter bikes such as these, could probably move up a half or full rating.
   super

Don't feel bad though, 650 riders.  Remember, 650's can take you through a 4 and then take you home 400 miles later.   thumb





Rating 1




Dream roads!  Found in my back yard....  FS 67, Cherokee National Forest (CNF).





This is Fire's Cr. WMA.  Variety of terrain here, going up to 2.5.  I've got to get back up here during the changing of the leaves.   pics





Wide, compacted, and smooth makes for great traction and near pavement speeds.





Rating 1.5




This portion of 'Route 66' is tame and makes for some very enjoyable riding!  Dense vegetation and blind turns make it a 1.5 due to limited sight distance.





Gravel adds a little more respect into the equation.  FS 185, CNF; TDT-II 'Local Fav's #1'.





Barely makes a 1.5, due to gravel not driven into the ground.  FS 55, CNF.





My favorite 'Route 66' again.  Excellent traction is definitely a 1.0, but dense vegetation and sharp turns, up it.





I haven't ridden sand before (really dusty dirt or weathered sandstone is as close as I have gotten), but I believe this is good compacted type sand.  Let me know if I'm wrong.  TDA-II.





Rating 2




Occasional ruts and rocks up this road to a 2.0.  Pigeon Mtn. in northwest GA.





I didn't ride this area, but if the terrain stays like this where you are riding, it is a good 2.  But if roads/trails this size starts to become rougher terrain, it moves up the scale pretty fast due to limited space.  TDT-II 'Trackhoe Ride'.





Another road that has great surface traction, just like a 1.0, but due to lack of maintenance and being tighter, it is labeled a 2.0.  If you look closely, you can see the surface has variances in height and terrain type.  Extremely fun!   WOW!





Rating 2.5




Mild portion of Hurricane Creek (This stretch is almost a 2.0.  Most of the road is a 3.0).  Pay no attention to the elevation.  The camera must have been freaking out due to having too much fun!   Excuse me?





You can hit med. deep water at any speed you want.  Just be aware of the consequences.  He never hit the brakes, did he!   super
Good stable rocks on this long, med. deep water crossing allows a comfortable 2.5 rating.





Nice creek crossing on Dill Falls Tr.  Little more loose rocks, but small creek gets a 2.5.  Wider stretches of creeks with loose rocks can bump it to a 3.0+.





Mild single track can be loads of fun for people wanting to venture out a little more.  Easier portion of Tr. 82, CNF.





This portion of an old roadbed is medium difficulty due to overgrowth and hidden terrain.





Another 2.5;  nearly a 3.0 (a little steeper or more obstacles)





Sand in foreground looks like a 2.5.  Background seems to be a different story.   Holy smokes!





Rating 3




Not as hard as it looks.  I looked ahead the best I could to find a path that didn't end into a rut.  Only had to cross over this one time.  I just balance and keep moving.  (Except getting pics...   That's funny !)  Also on Pigeon Mt.





Tight trail, small creek, & a few rocks at this location, makes for about a 3.0.  And that's a 400 lb. pig.  Gordy!!!   I'm not worthy! TDT-II 'Hooligan Ride'.





Mild singletrack normally gets a 2.5, but I would imagine the sand element, along with obscured viewing, would make it a 3.0.





Low canopy, fairly steep, and with loose rocks makes this a solid 3.0.  TDT-II 'Hooligan Ride'





Rating 3.5




I was riding solo and was glad to see civilization, when I barreled across this last year.  I'm whipped !   I am using one of MDrake/GreenGene's pics from their ride last July.  Rough Butt Creek Crossing gives some challenges.  Leaving out of Rough Butt Tr. (like MikeM is doing, here), you can see that the white water makes it hard to see the bottom.  Of couse, that means there are some changes in rock shapes/heights, so be prepared to at least kick out.

 



Optional puddle on Dill Falls Tr. (I don't include it in Dill Falls Rating, because you can easily go around it.)
This puddle is deceiving.  It drops about a foot or more, all of a sudden, which caused Brian to dump.





Ron having some fun on some very steep hills.  This area, in general, definitely gets a 3.5.  Some lines may be impassable (see rock in foreground, right).  It normally takes a good biting tire, some good balance, eye on your lines, and a good bit of nerve to jump on this one.





Logs like this one, normally warrants a 3.5 or higher.  A little assistance, just to make sure.  This is about a 2.5 for the KLX 250. with its higher clearance and light weight. About 3.0 for Sherpa's light weight. TDT-II 'Hooligan Ride'.





Again, not a trail I have ridden.  Single rock outcroppings like this one makes for fun obstacles.  Rating moves up the longer the stretches of rocks are and the more jagged.  TDT-II 'Trackhoe Ride'.





Up to this point, about 3.5.  Look at 4.0 rating for the rest of the trail.





Rating 4




The old roadbed to the left is difficult, especially with the leaves.  The creekbed to the right would be a 4.5, if not a 5.0 (not doo-able with 650)





This may look tougher than a 4.0, but we had a good path to crawl through.  A particular piece of wood debris didn't like Greg.   Greenie





This portion alone would probably be a 3.5, but if you take into account the approach (next pic, but only about the first half of the approach), the constant searching for the best line would cause it all to be a 4.0.  TDT-II 'Hooligan Ride'.





Approach to pic above.  TDT-II 'Hooligan Ride'.





Now, I don't know your thoughts, but the sand on the left and center looks wicked.  A couple of miles of this and I'm sure I would be just as worn out as if I did 2 miles of what Greg dropped his DR on (pic above).





Rating 4.5




You may look at this pic and say to yourself, 'hmmm, that sand doesn't look that tough', but I wouldn't be so sure about that.  Let's see what Rico had to say about riding in these ruts;  "slowing below 5 mph would have the front tire sinking to rim depth. It was insane".





O.K...... this type of stuff will wear you out, if you had to do it all day.  The approach isn't too bad.  At best it is a 4.0 (maybe a 3.5), mainly due to the loose rocks and the steep climb.  Where it gets its 4.5 honors is where I am heading.  Having to climb over jagged rocks, while on a steep hill, trying to balance a fully fueled pig, is a challenge.  But it's a challenge that a lot of us like.   naughty naughty naughty naughty naughty






Rating 5




THIS IS NO MISTAKE!  IT IS A 4.5 AFTER I DO IT!!!!!!!   i haven't done it yet....   Sad .................... Arrrrg!................... Holy smokes!   

5.0..................5.0.................5.0..................5.0...................5.0..................5.0.................5.0..................5.0...................5.0...................
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